European Tour?

[kbernardp]

So my wife and I were talking about flying up to Vancouver for the shows in June, but honestly after seeing him in a club with 100 people I don't really want to fly cross country to see him in a crowded venue.

 

So my question is, how often does he tour Europe? I'd much rather go see him in London in a place where he's a little less-known and still have things to do. Don't get me wrong, I respect Vancouver and the "what to do's" there, but I love Europe.

 

Does anyone have any knowledge of this or any patterns? Do you think we could expect one in the fall, for example?

[reckoner]

he played in germany in 1999/2000 era.

 

i think that was the last (if not only) time he's played across the pond.

[LonelyWreckage]

Yup^ Well according to this anyway.

[RicardoObviouso]

i would be shocked if he ever 'toured' europe again.

vancouver is a lame place to see a show if you're travelling for that purpose, especially the orpheum... if he was playing the commodore i'd suggest it. i'd say calgary or montreal would be more fun.

[AnOceanPearl]

I'd imagine when the Calgary stop is announced, it will be either at the Jack Singer Concert Hall or the SAIT Jubilee Auditorium. I haven't ever been to the Jubilee, but the Jack is a FANTASTIC venue for any show. I've seen MG acoustic there, and a production of West Side Story, and while totally different experiences, they were both awesome, and the venue was a large part of it.

[Nearfantastica]

As much as I love the Jack Singer, The Jubilee is even better. They just renovated, so everything is nice and new, and the acoustics in the theater are absolutely amazing. It's a great venue, and I wish they would hurry up and announce a Calgary date...or at least get rid of the "more to be announced" subtitle.

[AnOceanPearl]

I have my tickets for Edmonton, which is at the NAIT Jube, and I think my friend said they just renovated there too.

[reckoner]

i'd suggest Massey Hall in Toronto, but that's just because it's a gorgeous venue. And i've seen Sigur Ros these, so that helps.

 

while Toronto may ultimately had a ton to do for a vacation, out West would be more aesthetically appealing, and also have a more respectful crowd.

[AnOceanPearl]

I am jealous of your seeing Sigur Ros >.<

[reckoner]

third row floor.

 

fucking gorgeous show.

[prototypepariah]

yeah going to quebec or toronto would be the next best thing to Europe. if you've never been toronto is an awesome city with a ton to do besides an MG show.

[here is no why]

as said, i'd be surprised if he gets out to Europe again, especially any time soon.

[kbernardp]

I've been to Toronto, Quebec City, Montreal... All over Ontario and Quebec. I grew up just outside of Ottawa, but I live in Washington DC now.

[decomposinglight]

I don't see it happening unless his next album is hugely successful. It's really expensive to fly and all of that. It's kind of like asking for full band shows in states other than NY.

[heyrabbit]

What's "overaffluence"?

[RicardoObviouso]

d-lite also belonged to philosophyforums before she got banned for making up words.

[decomposinglight]

Lol.

 

Yeah, it's not really a word. If affluence is having a good amount (affluent areas are those with high standards of living, good education programs..) then overaffluence is basically having too much (wealth, various CRAP you don't need to make you happy). These things distract you from the real beauties in life and you can lose yourself in them, in my opinion. Not just lose your money in debt as many do when trying to keep up with the Smiths, but literally become a mindless couch potato drone for your HDTV, not reading or thinking about anything of substance.

[heyrabbit]

Woah woah Woah. Having too much wealth is bad? What is the standard, then? We should be moderately affluent?

 

Wealth is what's rewarded to those who are productive, and productiveness is the act of achieving life. So are you saying that we should live less, or live more for other people?

 

The problem with being a mindless hedonist is not an excess of money with which to practice being a hedonist, it's the act of being a mindless hedonist. You have a reversal of cause and effect there. Money makes it easier to avoid reality, but T.V.'s don't make you watch them. When you go to the grocery store, you don't just buy buckets of ice cream and candy bars instead of real food and then proceed blame wealth for your crappy health. "it's not my fault" you'd say, " I had too much money".

 

Moey isn't the problem, it's a lack of judgment. If we're going to compensate for a lack of judgment by reducing our options for exercising it, then many of us would have to become bums. Such is the life of a buddhist monk I suppose! They do not trust their minds with money. And,coincidentally, that is exactly what communism seeks to do, to remove the market.

 

So that is a very dangerous philosophy, the camp that says that "money is the root of all evil". The problem is a lack of mind, not "too much" money

Edited April 4, 2008 by heyrabbit

[decomposinglight]

It's just an idea, ;). It has theoretical backing, at best, and it's not something I'm going to defend tooth and nail. I really am not a member of philsophyforums (didn't know it existed until Snatch mentioned it and I haven't been there), I don't consider myself a philosopher, and I don't really want to discuss this in length in this thread.

 

To give you insight, though, I must say that I think you misunderstand me, so I'll respond to those asertions.

 

This idea is my personal opinion. It's something I think about from time to time, but not on a grand scale to the extent that I can discuss all of its properties at length. The sentence/word in question was simply in my tagline and it was brought up; I can't say "don't read it" or "don't talk to me about it," because I put it there in the public eye, but I hope you understand I didn't intend to discuss it as a value for anyone but myself. Also, normally, people aren't inclined to discuss taglines.

Now, I personally detest people that are caught up in their wealth, wondering when the next shade of Clinique eyeshadow will come out so they can parade it around or when they can buy their second superjet hot tub this quarter. Have you ever read a novel where wealth and power corrupted a man, or seen a film with such themes? I trust you have, and that's what I mean.

That said, I'm not outwardly proselytizing this idea as any sort of anti-currency philosophy, nor do I associate it with choice in this sense. I'm talking about being utterly consumed, in some ways beyond one's own control. If we're talking about Joe complaining he ate too much gourmet tortellini because he has a plastic surgeon's income, I agree with you. Saying "I had too much money" is no excuse for having bad health - that would be like complaining about a musical artist that uses foul language when you can just not listen to it; it's a fallacy.

Again, I personally do not believe productivity is all that life is, so your way of thinking probably doesn't apply to me, as mine doesn't to you. I'm not asking anyone to agree with this idea, nor to even give it the light of day to assess it. I'm also certain it's been said before.

Additionally, I honestly don't know where you're getting this "live less, or live more for other people" idea out of what I'm saying. To me, living has a different meaning than it may have for other people, and it doesn't include making a shit ton of money. As for living for others, I'll tell you that my life also doesn't include vast charity efforts or hours upon hours of community service (I am also opposed to foreign aid on most counts, which you as an Ayn Rand fan might like).

Furthermore, the next insinuations you make are not true in my case. I don't want to reduce the buying options out there or disrupt the market; I just personally (that word again!) chose not to associate with people who let money rule their lives. As per your claim that I might suggest money is the root of all evil, I don't think money is the root of all evil. I think stupidity is. If you're easily suceptable to losing your mind over a fucking Coach bag, then that's stupidity, and to me you're just another mindless one of the rich who are completely unaware of what's going on in the world around them. I hated "the Great Gatsby," but as an example, I'm talking about people like that. And people like that are not the norm. In fact, most stupid people are not rich, they're poor as fuck. And that's where I'm going to stop, because I don't want to talk about whether or not they should get off their asses, whose fault their lack of wealth/education is, or make everyone think I hate dumb people on the whole.

 

In summation, I'm not going to turn this European Tour thread into a thread about being too wealthy or discussing standards of living, so let's just leave it at that and direct anything else to PM.

Thanks. :angry: