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Well my hats off to the people who keep an open mind. To those who are completely ignorant to the facts and have nothing better to say than calling me a nutjob, keep living in your own bubble.

 

We've read everything you said and hell, I even watched the movies you linked. None of that convinced me at all and I'm a skeptic about everything. I even entertained the idea of the moon landing being fake but I was 12 and grew up. The bubble comment applies to you just as much as it would anyone else in this thread. Except at least we know we live in a bubble.

 

Have you even read any of the results for the Bilberger group? A lot of it is just people hating on Jewish people.

 

Also this made me laugh:

 

borntohula ( xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ) Viewing Topic: 911=inside Job? Today, 09:11 PM

 

Coincidence or is bth an NWO agent like [REDACTED].

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in order for us to properly discuss your theories, you're going to have to engage with my arguments a bit more than this. what was missing, exactly?

 

people have done a well enough job at poking holes in your theories without really knowing much about them. there's a lot that you're saying here that can be just discredited by common sense, regardless of whether we believe in the coming of the antichrist or not. personally, i believe that what you're saying is plausible, especially concerning the whole "six men in a room, controlling the world" theory. it's been well documented that a lot of decision making, particularly in the united states, is dictated by corporate-interest and those interests are significantly related to groups like the freemasons and places like bohemian grove.

 

what your theory lacks though, is a context. there's no "why." you've posited that a small group of people orchestrated 9/11 in order to manipulate people into sacrificing their freedoms, and also allowing the US into afghanistan/iraq without much question ... but if these guys are actually in control of the world and the way in which it functions (and as i understand it, they control it primarily through the economy), why would they need to orchestrate something to the proportions of 9/11 in order to coerce people into action? i mean, your theory (about the global elite) is not a new one. it's been around for 20 years, maybe more. it didn't just appear post-9/11, therefore, it was plausible even then that a small group of people could be in control of the globe. if they indeed had so much control, and for so long, why 9/11? if we (as in, the general population) are already enslaved, why do we need to be enslaved again?

I read it awhile ago, but from what I can recall, there was no mention of the following:

 

no mention of why Rudy Gulliani had the scrap of the towers shipped off before they could even be examined.

no mention of Building 7 and how they rigged the building to come down within a day.

No mention of the firefighters hearing explosions going off or the clear footage of explosions going off as the towers fell.

And what about the Pentagon? Youre telling me there was NO footage to show a plane going into that building? The Pentagon didnt have anything more than that slowed-down framerate piece of crap video they released? I find that hard to believe.

 

Are these questions not valid to have been included? Why have they not answered these questions? If they think conspiacy theories are ridiculous, than why not come out and just answer the damn questions to put them to bed?

 

We've read everything you said and hell, I even watched the movies you linked. None of that convinced me at all and I'm a skeptic about everything. I even entertained the idea of the moon landing being fake but I was 12 and grew up. The bubble comment applies to you just as much as it would anyone else in this thread. Except at least we know we live in a bubble.

 

Have you even read any of the results for the Bilberger group? A lot of it is just people hating on Jewish people.

 

Also this made me laugh:

 

borntohula ( xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ) Viewing Topic: 911=inside Job? Today, 09:11 PM

 

Coincidence or is bth an NWO agent like [REDACTED].

I dont know what you read, but the Bilderbergs meet every couple of years to discuss world issues...and some people believe they are discussing world domination. Whether they do or not who knows. But in Alex Jones' film "Endgame" it has interviews with a couple of people who have been following these elitists for over 20 years.

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Shiri does indeed run the world. She's part of that secret group that made Steve Guttenberg a star. "We do, We do..."

 

I consider myself fairly intelligent and well educated...365 you have accomplished a great deal with this thread...you got a group of people having a fairly intelligent and well thought out conversation. There is no doubt the holocaust happened, the bodies and testimony of both, survivors and those who ran the camps have substantiated it. I could write a thousand pages about the Holocaust...as a student of WWII history, it would come quite easily. As for 9/11...if I may put this to you another way:

 

Your focus is in the wrong place. Your arguments actually pretty much support the after effects quite well. 9/11 is like the guy in the shitty beater car who get's into an accident with the guy driving the high end mercedes...all of a sudden, everything that was wrong with the beater car, happened right then, not too mention the bad back he had from shovelling, and the arthritic knee were results of the accident as well... bingo bango bongo, guy with the beater car has massive settlement check...

 

That little scene, is essentially what 9/11 boils down to. The precipitating incidents(planes crashing into shit) set off the chain reaction of a feeding frenzy of everyone trying to get theirs as a result. By everyone, I mean the defense contractors, politicians, big business, and lobbyists...all angling for their piece of the "insurance check".

 

As I stated before, Hubris was the ultimate cause of 9/11...the theories you're sharing, actually speak more to the end results as opposed to the cause.

 

You've mentioned a freedom and enslavement on several occasions...you can't get any more free than we are right now...we're having this conversation on a fairly public forum....and no one has snatched you up for reprogramming. Your freedom of speech is alive and well my friend.

 

You've also mentioned that this so called New World Order wants us to believe that we live in a democracy. I'm here to tell you that while there is corruption out there...the concept of Democracy is alive and well... Barack Obama is President because he was elected to the office. I have been voting for 18 years, and I've volunteered my time on a few political campaigns... If democracy didn't exist, Canada wouldn't be having the issues it's having with the "battling political parties" nor would we have ever heard of Obama or Palin... even a flawed democracy is a working democracy...the flaws show in situations like the Governor of Illinois, however as you can see a flawed democracy can correct itself. As you can see that Governor was removed from office. The checks and balances work...even if they take time.

 

I was raised at a time where the concept of a black Mayor of a major City was not even believed possible, and now we have black Governors, high ranking Senators and Congressmen, Supreme court Justices, and now the President of the United States. I have witnessed Democracy in action from beginning to end, though it may it's flaws it works, and it's alive and kicking.

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this thread is over...all it is the 4? 5? of you and myself(poor English withstanding) bringing up reality while he keeps arguing like a public defender about a specific point that even if it were true isn't, relevant to the bigger issue. For all the problems of the world, things are about as good as they've ever been. If your so upset go somewhere else, plenty of space in Africa, you can see the ghost of terrorism in action. You might even find the internet : )

 

we're just sheep, we're not free the O-bama-nation is just subterfuge. Mr. bishop your in the green field at the end of 1984 just pray you come around before they blast the girl : )

 

 

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and I hope shiri is in charge! She has good taste afterall, she is on the site : )

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Nevertheless I honestly believe that within 10 years we will start getting ripped from our homes and families and being thrown into concentration camps. Im starting to lose hope (not just because of this thread but because of people in general just not caring) in mankind. 10 years we will be living in the newer version of Nazi Germany. We may be free now in Canada, but everyday I read reports that happen in America where cops are throwing people into things they call "temporary holding facilities", cops are beating people...everyday things just get worse. After they merge Mexico, America and Canada, we'll all be screwed, cause then the Gestapo will come up here and start beating us down too.

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I have to be honest, what you're describing is impossible in this day and age. Mexico would never consent to such a thing, nor would the American people. As for Canada, um...not possible...We're talking about three countries with such independent national ideologies, that this would never happen.

 

As for the behavior of police officers in this country...the majority of policemen are good people and those that you describe are at the opposite end of the spectrum and in a rather small number compared to the whole. Temperary holding facilities for whom? Illegal immigrants? Criminals? be more specific...show that you know what you're talking about.

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what think you of this 365? does it makes you upset?

 

 

is it another case of "the man" silencing the 'truth?'

 

personally I do not believe in NWO operating anywhere....the way I see it, if there was an all powerful organization, there is no way they could operate without hiring people to do the work necessary to have a war started....be it a general......be it a fucking cleaning lady......you upset one of these people,, they will complain to their families or friend, who in turn would tell their families and friends, who would tell their friends.....its all a fucking snowball.

 

do you get where I'm coming from? do you understand what I'm saying? Call me a dreamer, but Imagine a world where all. of the "truthers" (which I fucking hate that name, btw. truthers? doesn't seem like good English) if they would put all their energy and blogging towards something, imagine what could be accomplished

amd of O wake up sometime in the next 10 years, and se a train being loaded with people who oppose the truth, i will apologize to you and give you $100,

thank you *exit stage right

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http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/9492566/detail.html

http://www.infowars.com/articles/alex/alex..._nyc_update.htm

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/busted...eace_tshirt.htm

http://www.infowars.com/denver-can-restric...-at-convention/

 

No links to people handing out flyers getting arrested, but Ive heard stories from friends. And I know youll probably put up that shallow argument of "oh well if there acting like idiots, and yelling and screaming, or course theyll get arrested", but I mean really...does this not just show where your freedoms are going? Dont think so? Here watch some police in action!:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OeHQo_YOMA

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4382151310886411718

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The "Infowars" site isn't really a reputable source since it was from the same people that made your videos. It's like writing a paper and citing yourself as a source, same goes with the "heard it from a friend." Just because your friend said it doesn't mean it's necessarily accurate. Although the permit thing for the Republican convention was douchey, they were still allowed to protest just outside the grounds.

 

How did you pass Highschool English, man?! (joking)

 

How is yelling and screaming at Police officers a shallow argument for getting arrested? She wanted to get arrested, she was provoking them to try and prove a "point." If she went to jail it wasn't to Gitmo either. More likely the drunk tank. She probably just got a slap on the wrist and or a fine.

 

I've been to quite a few protests and the Police have never ever done anything remotely aggressive. And this was with hundreds of people with signs and pickets. There was chanting too.

 

You don't get arrested if you don't act aggressively. That woman was goading them.

 

Also your second video is just from the Infowars guy again. Not a real source.

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Nevertheless I honestly believe that within 10 years we will start getting ripped from our homes and families and being thrown into concentration camps. Im starting to lose hope (not just because of this thread but because of people in general just not caring) in mankind. 10 years we will be living in the newer version of Nazi Germany. We may be free now in Canada, but everyday I read reports that happen in America where cops are throwing people into things they call "temporary holding facilities", cops are beating people...everyday things just get worse. After they merge Mexico, America and Canada, we'll all be screwed, cause then the Gestapo will come up here and start beating us down too.

 

Where do you live? You can't live in Toronto or Vancouver. You must live in some big for canada city in the middle of no where. Have you ever seen a ghetto? Do you know what 5 guys strung out on coke or meth look like when they try to rob a store and have a hostage? Seen a drive by? Have you seen what a neighborhood looks like from the inside when they have to put bars on the windows? Guessing your also an only child.

 

I'm not a gangbanger but i've lived in philly, atlantic city(actually not a fun place to be outside of the casinos) and I'm living in pittsburgh( a practical utopia compared to philly) Cops are people too man and when you might not see your family the next day you get edgy too. They tire of the grind, they abuse their power, fuck man there just people like you.

 

Next why in the world would anyone want to incorporate mexico? That just solidifies your lack of reality. Maybe instead of googleing non sense you could look into seeing how terrible it is all over mexico. Hell maybe you can even learn how to say ?puedo ayudar te? and go there yourself and help some kids eat so they don't have to make those comfy pants your wearing or the car your mom drives you to work in. Mexico is awash in a litany of problems a lot worse than getting hassled for passing out fliers. Like maybe being kidnapped in front of your house. Or I don't know being dismembered in acid in tijuana. What purpose practical or otherwise does that solve for the US or the NA Union? cheap labor? i'm lost as to the benefit.

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Brendan, you are one bit of alright sir.

 

Coming from a family with a goodly number of cops in it, I can tell you that what Brendan says is true. When your life is at risk on a daily basis, yes when those who act in an aggressive manner don't respond to talking, any means to remove the threat can be employed. I did spend a good deal of my childhood and teen years living in the ghetto. I've seen drive by shootings, and I know people from the criminal element who are far better armed than the police. The world isn't perfect, but 365 the people you're painting as villains are far from it...I've looked at some of these so called "facts" you've provided...if anything some of it actually reinforces my opinions of the truth, as I see it.

 

I touched on this earlier, but let me hone in on it a little bit more...there is no way that the US would incorporate Mexico into any type of firm union. Here are the reasons why:

 

1) Mexico's criminal industries are out of control right now. Even with assistance from various foreign law enforcement entities, such as Scotland Yard, the DEA, etc...the drug lords have almost as much power as the gov't. They think nothing of attempting to kill high ranking police officials, with little fear of reprisal.

2) Financially, Mexico can barely support it's economy. The poverty level is very high. It would be too costly to provide for their social service infrastructure.

3) Border control, Mexico's own borders are like sieves...It's very easy to get into Mexico for several reasons, including the use of bribery and extortion.

4) The territory is too vast to be maintained by conventional policing, in effect we'd' have to actually use a bigger force than what's in Afghanistan and Iraq combined to police it. Again not feasible for several reasons.

5) If we incorporated them. they'd be subject to our way of life...meaning our rights and priviledges...that would change their way of life dramatically, and also cause major economic issues...

 

As you can see, there is no way in hell that this could ever happen. A move like this would take hundreds of years just to prepare. This isn't the 1800's manifest destiny doesn't work in this day and age.

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Charles! Haven't seen you log on as much as you used to. how's life treating you?

 

Open Question. Did you know, that after the Sex Pistols broke up, Johnny Rotten aka John Lydon, was considered to be the lead singer of Devo. yup, I shit you not. What thinks you of that?

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