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Who do you think is gonna win the November USA elections?  

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  1. 1. Who do you think is gonna win the November USA elections?

    • Bush
    • Kerry

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The question is NOT who you want to win the elections (I think that from the different posts we more or less agree on who we would like to win the elections) but who DO YOU THINK is gonna win the elections


I DO really think Kerry is gonna beat Bush, no matter how much distance Bush may have in the polls (I just hope i dont get wrong...)

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There's no way I can be certain either way. I'm thinking though that the American public will realize how bad a choice Bush would be (although Kerry wouldn't exactly be my ideal president either I guess). It's too close to call, at least right now, but I think Kerry's got a good chance.

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Well, remember the Canadian elections, where everyone thought that Harper and the Conservatives were going to win. I think that most Canadians realized that the Harper Conservative party was pretty extremist and realized that they didn't want that kind of government. Hopefully, Americans will wise up to that when they head to the polls in November.

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Radiohead Better Than Ashlee Simpson... Who Knew?

September 3, 2004 03:19 AM - Posted by Jonathan

On his often updated journal where he constantly expresses his frustration with right-wingers, Moby decided to make a poignant political comparison that includes pitting our lads [Radiohead] vs. the latest pop princess.



"you know what politics is/are like in the united states?

it's like pop-music

example a: pop-music.

republicans are like ashley simpson, and democrats are like radiohead. radiohead fans will forever be mystified as to why someone would buy an ashley simpson cd, but ashley simpson's handlers/managers understand what the lowest common denominator are looking for and they give it to them. radiohead fans think 'that disposable pop music is terrible, and someday people will see the error of their ways and buy radiohead cd's instead of ashley simpson cd's', meanwhile ashley simpson and her managers are selling millions of records…


my point?

yes, radiohead are better than ashley simpson.


Green Plastic

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I know Bush and republicans are scaring people to shit in order to win the elections... but my ex-government also tried that strategy and it didnt work... I hope americans also find out that their current government is lying to them, cheating on them and they just reject them with their massive votes to the Democrats


I honestly think that this is what is gonna happen...

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Well, remember the Canadian elections, where everyone thought that Harper and the Conservatives were going to win. I think that most Canadians realized that the Harper Conservative party was pretty extremist and realized that they didn't want that kind of government. Hopefully, Americans will wise up to that when they head to the polls in November.

yes nice thought.


The polls now say that Bush is ahead in support. But usually the 1-on-1 debates are the last thing to really swing voters minds. There is definately time for momentum to change in the US election, much as it did in the Canadian election.

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Bush's bounce is pretty much gone:




Harris Interactive. Likely Voters. 9/13. MoE 3%.


April June August Now

George Bush 46% 51% 47% 47%

John Kerry 43 41 47 48

Ralph Nader 8 6 3 2

None of these 1 * * *

Not sure/Refused 2 1 3 3

Bush Lead +3 +10 0 -1



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te scary thing is that Bush has a very good chance of winning. Kerry has been running a completely crappy campaign. Bush's camp has totally run over the democrats, and the dems look like kitty-cats when they try to fight back. Kerry's ad campaign stinks, while Bush and anti-Kerry groups are always on the attack seemingly.


Kerry has been stuck defending his war record, while he is totally missing the opportunity to stomp on Bush and the brutal Iraq war.


Michael Moore has done more for Kerry than anything.

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I honestly don't think that the majority of American's even care. That's pretty flippin' sad, but that's how I view the U.S citizens. Don't get me wrong, I know that there are some decent Americans, but I don't think some even understand what's happening. I think that a lot of people will just vote for Bush. Just because they know what they're getting into. I sincerely hope that Kerry wins the elections, but I'm sort of unsure with Edwards being around. But hey, you have to take the bad with the good, right?

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Acually they say Edwards would be a big boost for Kerry because he's from the south, and they needs southern voters because the majority of those people have been voting conservative/Republican ever since Reagan.


Although yes, it is true most Americans don't really care enough to even know what's going on. In the state I live in for example, only 70% of those eligible bothered to register to vote, and less than 1/2 of those actually voted.

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Holy cow, that isn't very many voters in your state! And when I said that I was unsure about Edwards, I didn't mean that I thought he would hold Kerry down, I just personally wouldn't want Edwards to hold very high status. There is definitely something I dont like about that man.

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Edwards would probably be a better candidate for president than Kerry. He's smart, charming, good looking (it's strictly Platonic), positive, and a helluva debater. I'm gonna love seeing him wipe the floor with Cheney. Then again, Al Gore was supposed to be a super hardcore debater, and he arguably lost all three of his debates against Bush in 2000.

Or Wesley Clark vs. Bush debating national security. A friggin' four star general, Rhodes Scholar, West Point grad, war hero, former Supreme Commander of NATO forces. Damn that would be awesome to watch a national security debate between those two.


Too bad about the Howard Dean scream...

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I'm getting too disappointed, desperated, negative, pesimistic about the idea of Kerry winning the elections... and I'm not feeling well ;) i'm scared of 4 more yrs with Bush and i have the feeling i cant do anything against that :angry:

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Dear Friends,


Enough of the handwringing! Enough of the doomsaying! Do I have to come there and personally calm you down? Stop with all the defeatism, OK? Bush IS a goner -- IF we all just quit our whining and bellyaching and stop shaking like a bunch of nervous ninnies. Geez, this is embarrassing! The Republicans are laughing at us. Do you ever see them cry, "Oh, it's all over! We are finished! Bush can't win! Waaaaaa!"


Hell no. It's never over for them until the last ballot is shredded. They are never finished -- they just keeping moving forward like sharks that never sleep, always pushing, pulling, kicking, blocking, lying.


They are relentless and that is why we secretly admire them -- they just simply never, ever give up. Only 30% of the country calls itself "Republican," yet the Republicans own it all -- the White House, both houses of Congress, the Supreme Court and the majority of the governorships. How do you think they've been able to pull that off considering they are a minority? It's because they eat you and me and every other liberal for breakfast and then spend the rest of the day wreaking havoc on the planet.


Look at us -- what a bunch of crybabies. Bush gets a bounce after his convention and you would have thought the Germans had run through Poland again. The Bushies are coming, the Bushies are coming! Yes, they caught Kerry asleep on the Swift Boat thing. Yes, they found the frequency in Dan Rather and ran with it. Suddenly it's like, "THE END IS NEAR! THE SKY IS FALLING!"


No, it is not. If I hear one more person tell me how lousy a candidate Kerry is and how he can't win... Dammit, of COURSE he's a lousy candidate -- he's a Democrat, for heavens sake! That party is so pathetic, they even lose the elections they win! What were you expecting, Bruce Springsteen heading up the ticket? Bruce would make a helluva president, but guys like him don't run -- and neither do you or I. People like Kerry run.


Yes, OF COURSE any of us would have run a better, smarter, kick-ass campaign. Of course we would have smacked each and every one of those phony swifty boaty bastards down. But WE are not running for president -- Kerry is. So quit complaining and work with what we have. Oprah just gave 300 women a... Pontiac! Did you see any of them frowning and moaning and screaming, "Oh God, NOT a friggin' Pontiac!" Of course not, they were happy. The Pontiacs all had four wheels, an engine and a gas pedal. You want more than that, well, I can't help you. I had a Pontiac once and it lasted a good year. And it was a VERY good year.


My friends, it is time for a reality check.


1. The polls are wrong. They are all over the map like diarrhea. On Friday, one poll had Bush 13 points ahead -- and another poll had them both tied. There are three reasons why the polls are b.s.: One, they are polling "likely voters." "Likely" means those who have consistently voted in the past few elections. So that cuts out young people who are voting for the first time and a ton of non-voters who are definitely going to vote in THIS election. Second, they are not polling people who use their cell phone as their primary phone. Again, that means they are not talking to young people. Finally, most of the polls are weighted with too many Republicans, as pollster John Zogby revealed last week. You are being snookered if you believe any of these polls.


2. Kerry has brought in the Clinton A-team. Instead of shunning Clinton (as Gore did), Kerry has decided to not make that mistake.


3. Traveling around the country, as I've been doing, I gotta tell ya, there is a hell of a lot of unrest out there. Much of it is not being captured by the mainstream press. But it is simmering and it is real. Do not let those well-produced Bush rallies of angry white people scare you. Turn off the TV! (Except Jon Stewart and Bill Moyers -- everything else is just a sugar-coated lie).


4. Conventional wisdom says if the election is decided on "9/11" (the fear of terrorism), Bush wins. But if it is decided on the job we are doing in Iraq, then Bush loses. And folks, that "job," you might have noticed, has descended into the third level of a hell we used to call Vietnam. There is no way out. It is a full-blown mess of a quagmire and the body bags will sadly only mount higher. Regardless of what Kerry meant by his original war vote, he ain't the one who sent those kids to their deaths -- and Mr. and Mrs. Middle America knows it. Had Bush bothered to show up when he was in the "service" he might have somewhat of a clue as to how to recognize an immoral war that cannot be "won." All he has delivered to Iraq was that plasticized turkey last Thanksgiving. It is this failure of monumental proportions that is going to cook his goose come this November.


So, do not despair. All is not over. Far from it. The Bush people need you to believe that it is over. They need you to slump back into your easy chair and feel that sick pain in your gut as you contemplate another four years of George W. Bush. They need you to wish we had a candidate who didn't windsurf and who was just as smart as we were when WE knew Bush was lying about WMD and Saddam planning 9/11. It's like Karl Rove is hypnotizing you -- "Kerry voted for the war...Kerry voted for the war...Kerrrrrryyy vooootted fooooor theeee warrrrrrrrrr..."


Yes...Yes...Yesssss...He did! HE DID! No sense in fighting now...what I need is sleep...sleeep...sleeeeeeppppp...


WAKE UP! The majority are with us! More than half of all Americans are pro-choice, want stronger environmental laws, are appalled that assault weapons are back on the street -- and 54% now believe the war is wrong. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM OF ANY OF THIS -- YOU JUST HAVE TO GIVE THEM A RAY OF HOPE AND A RIDE TO THE POLLS. CAN YOU DO THAT? WILL YOU DO THAT?


Just for me, please? Buck up. The country is almost back in our hands. Not another negative word until Nov. 3rd! Then you can bitch all you want about how you wish Kerry was still that long-haired kid who once had the courage to stand up for something. Personally, I think that kid is still inside him. Instead of the wailing and gnashing of your teeth, why not hold out a hand to him and help the inner soldier/protester come out and defeat the forces of evil we now so desperately face. Do we have any other choice?




Michael Moore

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