Matt Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I don't understand why people treat Matthew Good the way they do. Everytime he goes over the top, they take his side of the story, regardless of what the other side says. They attack people who have a contrary opinion about Matthew Good's views. Recently we saw something similar in all the threads. People would say maybe Matthew Good's a little more at fault than others are claiming, and people become all defensive. Seriously, he's a musician, he's not a god, he can be wrong, and he can do things that are not in the nicest ways. And I saw that thread that cause all of this, and, in my opinion, it was Matthew Good who started this. But, I'm not here to talk about that. By not agreeing with everything Matthew Good does though, doesn't make any fan less of one... But, if people have points they like to bring up, they should not be defined as "baiting" or invalid because someone "baited" Matthew Good, because how many of us usually see these so called baiting comments? On "The Double Life", they have been having a similar discussion as we had. People said that the respectful comments that simply disagreed with Matthew Good were removed, unlike the immature ones. We can't always know what happens, so when we don't it's important to let everyone have a voice, and then form an opinion. Beyond that, if a reply is going to be made, make sure it's respectful, and not dismissive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Prosis Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Personally I haven't been defending Matt against opinions...people have to learn the difference between an opinion and an insult... Matt good sucks: insult I don't like what Matt Good does: opinion Matt's an idiot: insult I don't agree with Matt on his views for the following reasons: opinion Jennifer's a ditz: insult And there are no alternative to that one because no one really knows her... Even on the internet there is a certain common sense to respect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I don't understand why people treat Matthew Good the way they do. Everytime he goes over the top, they take his side of the story, regardless of what the other side says. They attack people who have a contrary opinion about Matthew Good's views. Recently we saw something similar in all the threads. People would say maybe Matthew Good's a little more at fault than others are claiming, and people become all defensive. Seriously, he's a musician, he's not a god, he can be wrong, and he can do things that are not in the nicest ways. And I saw that thread that cause all of this, and, in my opinion, it was Matthew Good who started this. But, I'm not here to talk about that. By not agreeing with everything Matthew Good does though, doesn't make any fan less of one... But, if people have points they like to bring up, they should not be defined as "baiting" or invalid because someone "baited" Matthew Good, because how many of us usually see these so called baiting comments? On "The Double Life", they have been having a similar discussion as we had. People said that the respectful comments that simply disagreed with Matthew Good were removed, unlike the immature ones. We can't always know what happens, so when we don't it's important to let everyone have a voice, and then form an opinion. Beyond that, if a reply is going to be made, make sure it's respectful, and not dismissive. thsi is probably the best post I've read on this board so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munk Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 To be fair, Matt has made some very childish posts in response to some educated rebuttals. It's not all one sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearanoid Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I whole-heartedly agree that it's okay to have your own opinion and disagree wit Matt. When that happens, fine, but as mentioned there's a lot of needless bashing going on. As someone who's been defending the Good's of late, it's mostly just trying to point out that making a stupid insulting comment just isn't fair, not here, or anywhere in life. It pisses me off when people feel the need to judge and just be negative for the sake of it. But if you come on with a valid opinion, then great! Let's talk about it and have a discussion. That's what most of us are here for. I enjoy talking to people that have different opinios than me, it opens my mind. For the most part, this is a good, intelligent group of people with interesting things to say, so let's keep it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 To be fair, Matt has made some very childish posts in response to some educated rebuttals. It's not all one sided. Jaded's really right here. I'm assuming most of the posters here weren't part of this online MG community back when Matt was a regular participant over on the metro, but he was pretty fiercely a pain in the ass to have around on whatever board's he was posting on. I'm kind of glad he's not doing the blog anymore nor posting on any boards. He gets too involved with it and should just get back to doing what we all want him to do, you know, write a good record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefutureisxrated Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I too agree. I think Matt can be a bit of a drama whore at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Help Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 (edited) I’ll be straight up with you guys. I’m tired of the opinions of uneducated people. Listen, everyone’s entitled to their opinion, and that’s wonderful and all, but I’m not really up for listening to conservative hacks throw around the same trite information day in and day out when they display an obvious lack of education with regards to US covert and foreign policy, among other things. It’s infuriating. I correspond with a few conservative academics, mostly Americans, and I respect their input because they teach at the university level. But kids who use that tract to push buttons, not interested. I do talks for Amnesty to Canadian University students, and others, about human rights in the context of the current geopolitical climate. I will be doing talks for Get Your Vote On here in BC in March. I do the same for Ceasefire. I’ve even been invited to speak at a handful of American colleges. I get requests from CPAC and political journals for interviews, and the Toronto Star called my blog one of the ten best in the country. If I had no clue what I was talking about, I’d remain a celebrity face on websites, I would not be talking on the behalf of highly reputable organizations or be invited to speak by others. If no one cared what I thought, I would not get the attention that I do. Plain and simple. I would simply be called another uneducated musician and tossed aside. Listen, you can banter as long as you see fit about temper tantrums or whatever you choose. Go nuts. You can paint it all as some tyrannical maneuver to quell those opinions that you feel I can’t abide. But the truth of the matter is that no one that participated made any significant arguments that did anything but take up space. I refuse to humour those that willingly defend the deaths of civilians, because that’s what defending the position of the current US administration means. If people want to dilute that so as to assuage them of any feelings of denial, fine. That’s their business. But I’ll not waste my time on it any longer. If you think that reeling off dick and fart jokes on message boards makes you some sort of giant of wit, I pitty you. If you think that linking to idiotic pictures and engaging in juvenile one one-up-man-ship is a sign of superior intellect, then you’ve got bigger problems than worrying about what’s happening on my website. That said, do me one favour if at all possible - find someone else to waste your time talking about. Better yet, instead of complaining about me or creating message boards for bands that have two songs, go learn something useful. PS: Crusader - please delete this account for me would you? Thanks. Edited January 21, 2005 by Help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruettiger Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 It's a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munk Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Full - of - yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruettiger Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Full of himself? Please elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearanoid Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Now that's the kind of well-written opinion I could listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruettiger Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Now that's the kind of well-written opinion I could listen to. I agree, though there won't be anything more to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs jesus Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 he spelled pity wrong.. im just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruettiger Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Why is he giving up? By the looks and sounds of it, it's because he's tired of dealing with ignorance. I don't believe this is the case. It is not our fault he has stopped his blogs, his posting, his website, everything. It's his fault. I didnt want to say it, and Im sure Im going to get flamed for it anyway. He preaches to us to not stop helping others, to give to Amnesty and the ceasefire, etc. He is inturn giving up his help towards the ignorant public. Stupidity is everywhere, and it's something everyone is going to have to deal with. One can not give up simply because they are ignored or insulted for their beliefs. Oh well, it's over now. He's influenced many, me being one of them, but these little successes are apparently not worth his time and effort. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munk Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 (edited) You'd think with his massive paragraph of education and world-wide intellectual respect, he would've been able to catch that. edit: For Jesus, not Yata. Edited January 21, 2005 by Jaded Monkey™ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerbronze Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Yasa, What you just said is pretty close to what 'thefutureisxrated' said in another thread, so instead of typing it all out again, I'll quote my reply to him: "It sounds a bit to me like you think Matt owes his fans something and has short-changed them/us by discontinuing his blog. Your comments have a decided "how-dare-he" ring to them, only thinly veiled with the "what-did-he-expect?" argument. Whether or not he was fully prepared for the reaction, he had no obligation to continue the blog. How the blog was structured, and for how long it should last, were matters entirely for Matt to decide. What he gave his fans was a gift, and what you say sounds ungracious and greedy." I would really like to know how you justify the premise that he owes anything to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruettiger Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 He only owes 'us' as much as he's willing to give. He gave all he could and then some, but because of the people he was trying to educate, he stopped altogether. When he stopped his blogs it was dissapointing, but as many did, I knew why he stopped them. What I am talking about is not him owing his fans anything, but to continue sharing his perspectives to the public. The internet is so mainstream that even despite what a few people say, he is influencing anybody who comes across anything he writes. It looks hopeless to him, but it doesn't have to be. The public didn't stop him, he stopped himself. Hasn't he been telling us that giving up under pressure is not something one should do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearanoid Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I hope he'll be back, and I think he probably will be. Maybe he just needed a break. I can understand that. As I've said before, the stupidity and blatant ignorance of some people can be overwhelming. It gets to me just walking down the street sometimes, so I can only imagine what it's like to have all that directed straight at you on a daily basis en masse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonks Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 if things like that irritate him so easily he probably should stay away. if there's one thing the world is full of, it's idiots with shit for brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharmalina Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 (edited) Did anyone stop to consider that maybe part of why he stopped writing was because it just got boring for him? For a long time there he really had me interested in the war and politics and the "why"s and "how"s and all the rest. But since about mid-November he just kinda lost my interest. It's one thing to stay informed, but it's quite another to read the same regurgitated opinion time and time again. And maybe he got tired of finding ways to re-write the same opinion day in and day out. I don't doubt that part of it was because of his obvious annoynance with people who left rude comments and such, but maybe there's more to it than that. But, I will agree with whoever said that he can be a bit over-dramatic at times. But I think by now we should all have come to terms with it and even expect it. Is anyone REALLY surprised that he's taking a break from the web of undetermined length? Edited January 21, 2005 by Kharmalina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil On Rollerskates Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Better yet, instead of complaining about me or creating message boards for bands that have two songs, go learn something useful. Three if you include Downloading Blues. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs jesus Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 i wonder why he wants his account deleted he obviously reads here, or has "informants" that read here.. sooner or later, hes gonna want to comment again, and what a bitch itll be to have to re-register every time.. oh, well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swedish stewardess Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I don't doubt that part of it was because of his obvious annoynance with people who left rude comments and such, but maybe there's more to it than that. My guess is that it had less to do with the omnipresent rude comments and such than it did with his inability to handle it in an appropriate and dignified manner. They were making him look like an ass. Couldn't stand the heat. So he got out of the kitchen. That said... I enjoy Matt. I enjoy his music and I have a lot of respect for him. I think that people over thirty just don't have the same make up as people in their late teens and early twenties. The way people interact with eachother on the internet is often baffling to people who weren't immersed in it in their formative years. They don't have the natural instinct it takes to brush these kinds of things off. I'm not saying that's good or bad. It's just an observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefutureisxrated Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Matt, if your sick of fart and dick jokes and idiots posting links to rubbish pages, then do what myself and others have been preaching: take down the comments links. This is a common sense solution to this complicated problem. Most of your fan base is under age 24 and thus your site is visited by many who are in need of a great big dose of maturity. They have nothing better to do with their time or trouble than to post shit comments and links. These idiots essentially ruined the MBlog because the vast majority of us went to your site for a perspective that is not seen in editorial pages or on the mainstream news. The vast majority of us didn't post anything that compromised the integrity of your website. I just can't understand why you don't eliminate the means for these idiots to post such nonsense. It's rather perplexing, to be quite honest. You obviously are still itching to post more on your blog, as that nice little collection of pictures showed up on your page yesterday. Deny it all you want, but you know I'm right. It's refreshing to know that there are some people who have made a name for themselves that use their celebrity for good causes. I've focused countless lesson plans for my students on the material you posted on your site. Take the logical route: eliminate the comments links and put the site back online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
