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[rebellious_L]

cool story, alright poem. I am bored and want more.

Edited March 24, 2006 by rebellious_L

[ecnarf]

Meet Adam the over-analyzer.

I'd rather not actually.

Me neither.

 

but yeah. the point here is that technology can make a person physically perfect, yet manage to ignore the "broken parts," as the man in the originally posted piece stated. essentially, it is saying that in all these technological advancements, the modern world has forgotten about the soul and man's sanity itself. indeed, american health insurance certainly has, in their ignoring the findings of several studies that have shown that a prescription alone cannot cure psychological disorders and the like, yet the general theme of TECHNOLOGY AND ADVANCEMENT is pushed above all else.

 

Samantha the overanalyzer, meet Adam the anal retentive dick.

 

First of all, where did the American heath insurance reference come from? Are you referring to the new prescription drug plan? Because that plan is simply the state paying for people's prescription drugs, of any type. Not specifically drugs that treat psychological disorders, but any prescription drug at all. Arthritis medications, painkillers, antibiotics. If you're just referring to people taking pills a lot, read on.

 

You bet your ass that prescription drugs are effective at combatting psychological disorders. I'll even raise you one with a link: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...755C0A9629C8B63

 

In the midst of a worldwide debate on whether depressed children should be treated with antidepressant drugs like Prozac, a landmark government-financed study has found that Prozac helps teenagers overcome depression far better than talk therapy.

 

And if you continue on, you find out that a combination of both psychotherapy and prescription drugs is even more effective. But the bottom line is, prescription drugs on their own > psychotherapy on its own. Consider the role that chemical imbalances play in clinical depression. Psychotherapy is good for helping people get through emotional problems, but it won't fix the biochemistry of your brain.

 

Lastly, "the modern world has forgotten about the man's soul and his sanity itself." The modern world (if taken to mean the people who made this guy physically perfect) assumed that outward perfection would lead to inner peace. All the problems of life are seen to be caused by us not being as good-looking as the guys girls swoon over in magazines. And not being as rich as them, either. It's a fatal grass-is-greener syndrome that thought happiness is a result of shallow validation about things which you had no control over. Anyone can be told that they look pretty, but that doesn't mean much when you consider the fact that we haven't earned being pretty. On the other hand, we can be told that we are a ncie person. That means a lot more because being nice isn't genetic. You make a conscious choice to be a nice person rather than an asshole. But it gets outweighted by the fact that assholes get laid about 10x more than nice guys.

Edited March 24, 2006 by ecnarf

[Prometheon]

^Word.

 

Clinical depression is just the tip of the iceberg. Schizophrenic disorders were basically untreatable by psychotherapy before the invention of Thorazine (a common nickname for chlorpromazine).

 

The poem was decent though.

[QueenCanadia]

First of all, where did the American heath insurance reference come from?  Are you referring to the new prescription drug plan?  Because that plan is simply the state paying for people's prescription drugs, of any type.  Not specifically drugs that treat psychological disorders, but any prescription drug at all.  Arthritis medications, painkillers, antibiotics.  If you're just referring to people taking pills a lot, read on.

 

New drug plan? My understanding is that it was just for Medicare. Or perhaps that is just because I live in Florida, where over 60% of the state's budget goes to the damn old people. Anyway, I was NOT referring to government sponsored healthcare in any way, but rather the type of health insurance that a corporation would provide for its employees through an insurance company. Those are the particularly vicious types that conveniently "lose" claims for major surgeries and refuse to pay for women's birth control yet jump at the chance to pay for viagra. These are the backwards types of insurance that force women out of the hospital a day after giving birth, against doctors' advice. These are the asshole insurance companies who ignore twenty years of reasearch because they want to save some cash this quarter, at the expense of their patients' / participants' longterm health. Basically, what happens here is that the insurance companies will pay for the antidepressants, but only three or four therapy sessions, if that.

 

And if you continue on, you find out that a combination of both psychotherapy and prescription drugs is even more effective.  But the bottom line is, prescription drugs on their own > psychotherapy on its own.  Consider the role that chemical imbalances play in clinical depression.  Psychotherapy is good for helping people get through emotional problems, but it won't fix the biochemistry of your brain.

 

In addition to my major, I have a concentration in psychology. I am very familiar with the debate on prescriptions vs therapy. My point in my phrasing, which perhaps was a bit unclear, was that yes, just drugs themselves are not as effective as drugs + therapy. Just medication results in a 50% relapse rate, compared with medication AND at least eight sessions of therapy. With each subsequent therapy session, the relapse rate decreases. I'd cite here, but I've already sold back my psych texts. These results have been confirmed by several studies, and these were the results I was referring to before.

 

While that is indeed true that chemical imbalances exist--- in no way will I ever deny that--- coping mechanisms do as well, and sometimes those aren't completely as functional as they could be, hence the combination. Medication can fix the chemical imbalances, but even normal brain chemicals do not necessarily equate to effectively dealing with troubling situations or even daily life itself.

 

 

 

and in closing,

But it gets outweighed by the fact that assholes get laid about 10x more than nice guys.

 

Yeeeeaahhh, I'm well aware of that after four years at university... ;)

Edited March 27, 2006 by QueenCanadia

[ecnarf]

New drug plan? My understanding is that it was just for Medicare. Or perhaps that is just because I live in Florida, where over 60% of the state's budget goes to the damn old people. Anyway, I was NOT referring to government sponsored healthcare in any way, but rather the type of health insurance that a corporation would provide for its employees through an insurance company. Those are the particularly vicious types that conveniently "lose" claims for major surgeries and refuse to pay for women's birth control yet jump at the chance to pay for viagra. These are the backwards types of insurance that force women out of the hospital a day after giving birth, against doctors' advice. These are the asshole insurance companies who ignore twenty years of reasearch because they want to save some cash this quarter, at the expense of their patients' / participants' longterm health. Basically, what happens here is that the insurance companies will pay for the antidepressants, but only three or four therapy sessions, if that.

 

The new drug plan I'm on about is this new extremely complicated paid-for-by-government prescription plan. The reason that was brought to mind was because you mentioned "american health insurance" rather than something more specific relating to how prozac is handed out like candy.

 

In addition to my major, I have a concentration in psychology. I am very familiar with the debate on prescriptions vs therapy. My point in my phrasing, which perhaps was a bit unclear, was that yes, just drugs themselves are not as effective as drugs + therapy. Just medication results in a 50% relapse rate, compared with medication AND at least eight sessions of therapy. With each subsequent therapy session, the relapse rate decreases. I'd cite here, but I've already sold back my psych texts. These results have been confirmed by several studies, and these were the results I was referring to before.

 

That was the gist of what I had already said, so;

 

Yeeeeaahhh, I'm well aware of that after four years at university...  ;)

 

It's women like you who create negative stereotypes for everyone else.

[Ravenous megin-sane]

that's why i said 'talked with' as opposed to 'tslked to'. it's all about the phrasing, my dear

but i replied. therefore you were talking with one.

[glo]

Preparre yourself for a loaded question...

 

Ever wonder why 'everyone' now a days has a mental disorder (ADD, ADHD, BiPolar) and has to take pills and get therapy to get better? What's the Source?

[rebellious_L]

Everyone is looking for an excuse for their problems, so a borderline mental disorder is an easy thing to blame it on.

[saturnine]

Preparre yourself for a loaded question...

 

Ever wonder why 'everyone' now a days has a mental disorder (ADD, ADHD, BiPolar) and has to take pills and get therapy to get better? What's the Source?

what about us old schoolers? where's our recognition?

[QueenCanadia]

Everyone is looking for an excuse for their problems, so a borderline mental disorder is an easy thing to blame it on.

tt's easier to blame some disorder than to take responsibility for poor parenting.

[Computer]

Theropists need money too. Do you think they are going to say that you're fine? They wouldn't make any money! Hence everyone today has some form of depression/ anxiety bullshit. The pink pill is for your sanity. And I would love to live off of cheeseburgers.