Where Do U Stand

[rmak]

Alberta is the only province with no debt.  So vote Tory.  ;)

So suddenly debt becomes more important than healthcare, education, public works, etc. Trust me there are better ways to balance the budget than to screw over the people by f*cking with our socialist policies - policies that keep everyone living well.

 

Ways like using the Bank of Canada for borrowing money at the federal level (w/ low interest rates) and in turn the feds giving funds to the province. This was done from WW2 to 1974. It got us out of the great depression and allowed for us to create highways, airports, sewer systems and the list goes on. It wasnt until 1974, when the genious Trudeau got rid of this system and the debt started and continued to build up.

 

So the choice is obvious. But who has the common sense to re-implement this proven success for balancing the budget while still providing for citizens in countless ways? Not the tories, liberals or even the NDP. The greens are the ones, thats who.

Edited February 2, 2005 by rmak

[Munk]

Alberta's balanced budget is a product of lucky geography, thx.

[rmak]

correctomundo

[Matt]

The Greens will send us more in debt. Last I checked, if you're constantly taking out loans, as well as spending all your taxpayer dollars, then you're not paying off the debt. That's why we're in the situation we are in now. By spending what you don't have now, leaves less for future generations.

[rmak]

You are removing the debt because u now have money with which to pay it off. By taking out these loans, you are saving money compared to what we are doing now.

 

And as for your comment that the Greens would put us into further debt: Do your research!!!

[Matt]

Where is this money coming from? Low interest loans. Don't banks generally want their money back? Yes, and they like to make a little money on the side too. So we're still paying off debts one way or another. Interest builds up over time too because we were not paying off our debts. The way to beat interest is what Ralph Klein did, he paid off the interest and the debt as well. It makes the load go away. The Greens would not pay off the debt, in fact they would have to keep increasing the loans they're taking out to pay off the debt, incuring more interest anyways. You can't spend money you don't have and not have a debt.

[rmak]

Read this: canadian action party two-step plan

 

p.s. i have discussed this with a politicain from the green party and they have a similar plan to the Canadian Action Party.

Edited February 3, 2005 by rmak

[Matt]

That doesn't answer anything, we'd still be in debt. And the only way out of that is to cut back.

[Devan]

The N.D.P., provinicially, only makes a bad situation worse. The N.D.P. spends money we don't have. By spending more than there is now, less is left for the people of the future. Has so many people forgotten the Fast Cat Ferries Fiasco? Gordon Campbell and the rest of the B.C. Liberals have made tough cuts, but cuts have to be made. When kitchen staff in hospitals are making more than the national average, a roll back is not un-fair, it's keeping us with the national average. Doctors, and Nurses make more money in B.C. than any where else in Canada. Nurses received a nice bonus recently even. Under the B.C. Liberals, health care spending has actually increased not decreased. The last time the teachers wanted to strike for money, the B.C. Liberals drew a pie chart, and said "this is the budget for B.C., roughly." they proceeded to ask the union "where do you want us to cut?". The Union refused to make those cuts that would affect other unions. The N.D.P. mismanaged money, money was being used ineffectively, and often in the wrong areas. The B.C. Liberals made cuts and have re-directed the money elsewhere to have it used more effectively. They haven't given into unions demands, when the N.D.P. did, strikes, especially in the education system, happened far more often. Business is beginning to boom in B.C. thanks to what the Liberals have been doing. Is this really the time to turn over the wheel to a government who never helped create any real jobs in B.C.? Or do Fast Cat Ferries count as creating real jobs?

The NDP originally took over from the Socreds, who had run the province into the ground economically. The Socreds, incidentally, became the BC Liberals. The NDP then balanced the budget, before slipping into a deficit. The BC Liberals have enacted a 4 year long attack on everything that uses public funds to improve the lives of the public, going so far as to be cited as abusing workers rights by the UN.

 

It's not surprising that the government has a surplus, they've drastically cut from everything, and the people of British Columbia are suffering as a result of it. I'm not sure where you're from, but if you like, I invite you to visit Prince George, or any other small community or city in the province, and see how people are doing.

 

I hope you're not one of those fools who will be further sold on this corrupt disaster of a government (oops, documents revealing all of the bidding information in the BC Rail sale were "accidentally" faxed to the company that happened to win the bidding, even though another company bid more money!!!!!) by the pittances they're now offering in order to gain votes in the election (ooh, they've given 3.6 million to legal aid!!!!! Nevermind that they cut it by 30 million in the first place!!!!!).

 

I'd rather have a party that fucked up, and fucked up bad the last time they were in power that has the best interests of the people of British Columbia in mind, rather than a party that's highly successful in their agenda to attack British Columbians.

[Matt]

I like how people say they have screwed over the province, yet they've increased spending in healthcare in the last three years. They've made cuts in the interest of people, rather than create "jobs" so people are busy at "work", they actually are creating jobs. And you're claiming they've lied and fixed sales. Say, didn't Glen Clark trade a casion license for a new porch at his house? And Glen Clark was the leader of the N.D.P. That Casino was not in the best interest of the people either. All casinos generally bring crime to a neighbourhood, however, this neighbourhood was alright, but at the same time, it had it's problems. He made a situation that had the potential of becoming a very bad situation for that. A very avoidable one, considering all Glen Clark had to say was no to the deck. Fast Cat Ferries created work, at the time, but I wonder what happened to the workers now that the program failed? Creating real jobs is what the province needs, not ones we don't need. Fast Cats were un-neccessary, the Mediterranean has already built up a good industry for it anyways.

Bidding more money doesn't necessarily mean that a company will win actually. Recently, Translink decided to let another company win the bidding. Translink is made up of mayors of different areas, basically, and they work on transportation in the lower mainland. They choose less buses instead of more when awarding a contract, I believe to a company based out of Winnipeg, rather than an American one. However, there could be several reasons for this move, the fact that one company is Canadian, and has done buisness with the transit authority before, and they know they will do a good job, or maybe because community shuttles are becoming more popular now. Translink themselves have worked hard at utilizing what they have, yes they have had to increase fares unfortunately. But, at the same time, they've been working at making a good system. Community shuttles on routes that are less used by passengers. Creating a better scheduling system. In turn, Gordon Campbell does pledge aid for the system some times when they need it. However, other systems, including education don't utilize money well. Elementary schools, should be more focused on book learning truthfully, and less on having let's draw now... or one of their many other forms of avoiding writing. There's so many events, and projects they do, that are truly un-neccessary. One way to save on text books for high schools is to make the school a semestered school. Semestered schools mean that the text books are only being used half the time by about half the school, and the other half the rest of the time. Less books are needed to be purchased. Most programs need to begin looking into in-depth ways to increase what they have to make the system better. Money can be utilized to make it worth more than what they currently have. However, people would rather blame the provincial government that made needed cuts rather than work on finding a solution.

[Devan]

I like how people say they have screwed over the province, yet they've increased spending in healthcare in the last three years. They've made cuts in the interest of people, rather than create "jobs" so people are busy at "work", they actually are creating jobs. And you're claiming they've lied and fixed sales. Say, didn't Glen Clark trade a casion license for a new porch at his house? And Glen Clark was the leader of the N.D.P. That Casino was not in the best interest of the people either. All casinos generally bring crime to a neighbourhood, however, this neighbourhood was alright, but at the same time, it had it's problems. He made a situation that had the potential of becoming a very bad situation for that. A very avoidable one, considering all Glen Clark had to say was no to the deck. Fast Cat Ferries created work, at the time, but I wonder what happened to the workers now that the program failed? Creating real jobs is what the province needs, not ones we don't need. Fast Cats were un-neccessary, the Mediterranean has already built up a good industry for it anyways.

Bidding more money doesn't necessarily mean that a company will win actually. Recently, Translink decided to let another company win the bidding. Translink is made up of mayors of different areas, basically, and they work on transportation in the lower mainland. They choose less buses instead of more when awarding a contract, I believe to a company based out of Winnipeg, rather than an American one. However, there could be several reasons for this move, the fact that one company is Canadian, and has done buisness with the transit authority before, and they know they will do a good job, or maybe because community shuttles are becoming more popular now. Translink themselves have worked hard at utilizing what they have, yes they have had to increase fares unfortunately. But, at the same time, they've been working at making a good system. Community shuttles on routes that are less used by passengers. Creating a better scheduling system. In turn, Gordon Campbell does pledge aid for the system some times when they need it. However, other systems, including education don't utilize money well. Elementary schools, should be more focused on book learning truthfully, and less on having let's draw now... or one of their many other forms of avoiding writing. There's so many events, and projects they do, that are truly un-neccessary. One way to save on text books for high schools is to make the school a semestered school. Semestered schools mean that the text books are only being used half the time by about half the school, and the other half the rest of the time. Less books are needed to be purchased. Most programs need to begin looking into in-depth ways to increase what they have to make the system better. Money can be utilized to make it worth more than what they currently have. However, people would rather blame the provincial government that made needed cuts rather than work on finding a solution.

The Liberals have cut spending on nearly all social programs, and made it harder for the poorest Canadians to get medical care for things like worker's compensation claims, as now disabled people have to go through a much more stringent application process to get scaled back care, while getting smaller amounts of money. This outweighs the minor increases to healthcare spending that keep the system from collapsing while doing nothing to improve care.

 

As for the casino license, if you had paid any actual attention to this issue, and followed it longer than the initial bad publicity (where the media were at Glen Clark's house for some reason before the police showed up, while the man in charge of the investigation was a Liberal party member who was at that time considering running as a BC Liberal MLA in the next election), you would know that this accusation went to trial, and Glen Clark was acquitted of any wrongdoing. So we've got a billion dollar corrupted sale of a public asset to an American owned corporation, directly counter to what the Liberals promised, compared with an accusation of Glen Clark having a deck built in return for a casino license, which was later proven untrue in court.

 

If you're going to hack at the NDP for association with casinos, you might want to hack the Liberals just the same, as they've been encouraging increasing the number of casinos and gambling ventures in the province of late. Don't be a hypocrite now.

 

The Fast Ferries issue is interesting as well. I agree that getting fast ferries was a mistake, they were ill-suited to the use they were put to. But you're criticizing it for all the wrong reasons. Firstly, it's never a bad idea to bring jobs to your province, especially unionized ones with high wages so as to put money into the local economies. How can you criticize those jobs as not being "real jobs"? Especially when the government you're defending is responsible for cutting masses of government jobs, bringing in the $6/hr training wage that's been terribly detrimental to the poorest citizens of the province, and creating nothing but call centre and Walmart jobs. In my Grade 11 year (2001-02), the government's cutbacks to the education budget resulted in every teacher in my district hired after 1995 being let go in June 2002. Jobs that pay well disappear, jobs that pay $6 an hour come in. If those are your real jobs, you've done a fabulous job of entirely discrediting yourself.

 

As for bidding, when you are entertaining bids on a public asset, it is your duty as a public servant to get the best deal for the public possible. This was not done, and your Translink analogy fails entirely. Firstly, the company chosen was an American company. Secondly, BC Rail was running itself quite well, and turning a profit. The debt the government claimed was the motivation to sell a profit-making venture is a reality of rail companies. All rail companies have comparable debt. The profits of BC Rail were somewhere just under $100 million annually, meaning that our government sold the company for a 99 year lease for the profit it would make in 10, while failing to negotiate the best price possible, and leaving out the future coal revenue that needed to be factored in to give a realistic assessment of the worth of BC Rail. Thirdly, Translink is allowing bidding on things they cannot supply themselves. BC Rail was self-sufficient.

 

It's also interesting that in your defense of the actions of Translink, you yourself point out that the poor choice in bidding by the Translink board has resulted in increased cost being passed on to those who require public transit, often those who are in the financial situation of being unable to afford a vehicle. So those who have no choice get screwed over just a little more.

 

Elementary schools, regardless of how you believe curriculum should run, do not need their funding cut. Even if you want an increased focus on things like writing and other fundamentals, cutting the funding so that fewer materials are available, and class sizes are forced to increase is a detriment to the education of the students, due to decreased attention from teachers.

 

I'm not sure where you went to school, but my school (Prince George Secondary School), as well as the rest of my district (57) were and always have been on the semester system. Justify cutting our funding in that case.

 

Yes, money can be better utilized, but there is such a thing as cutting too much, and the manner in which the Liberals have done this (entering into signed contracts illegally and removing clauses they dislike, terminating school boards who turn in deficit budgets and replacing them with appointed councils, etc, etc, etc) is so oppositional to the people of the province that it creates a hostile environment before even considering reforms.

 

Let's face it, if we have a $2 billion surplus in the province, those cuts weren't all necessary.

[Matt]

I like how people say they have screwed over the province, yet they've increased spending in healthcare in the last three years. They've made cuts in the interest of people, rather than create "jobs" so people are busy at "work", they actually are creating jobs. And you're claiming they've lied and fixed sales. Say, didn't Glen Clark trade a casion license for a new porch at his house? And Glen Clark was the leader of the N.D.P. That Casino was not in the best interest of the people either. All casinos generally bring crime to a neighbourhood, however, this neighbourhood was alright, but at the same time, it had it's problems. He made a situation that had the potential of becoming a very bad situation for that. A very avoidable one, considering all Glen Clark had to say was no to the deck. Fast Cat Ferries created work, at the time, but I wonder what happened to the workers now that the program failed? Creating real jobs is what the province needs, not ones we don't need. Fast Cats were un-neccessary, the Mediterranean has already built up a good industry for it anyways.

Bidding more money doesn't necessarily mean that a company will win actually. Recently, Translink decided to let another company win the bidding. Translink is made up of mayors of different areas, basically, and they work on transportation in the lower mainland. They choose less buses instead of more when awarding a contract, I believe to a company based out of Winnipeg, rather than an American one. However, there could be several reasons for this move, the fact that one company is Canadian, and has done buisness with the transit authority before, and they know they will do a good job, or maybe because community shuttles are becoming more popular now. Translink themselves have worked hard at utilizing what they have, yes they have had to increase fares unfortunately. But, at the same time, they've been working at making a good system. Community shuttles on routes that are less used by passengers. Creating a better scheduling system. In turn, Gordon Campbell does pledge aid for the system some times when they need it. However, other systems, including education don't utilize money well. Elementary schools, should be more focused on book learning truthfully, and less on having let's draw now... or one of their many other forms of avoiding writing. There's so many events, and projects they do, that are truly un-neccessary. One way to save on text books for high schools is to make the school a semestered school. Semestered schools mean that the text books are only being used half the time by about half the school, and the other half the rest of the time. Less books are needed to be purchased. Most programs need to begin looking into in-depth ways to increase what they have to make the system better. Money can be utilized to make it worth more than what they currently have. However, people would rather blame the provincial government that made needed cuts rather than work on finding a solution.

The Liberals have cut spending on nearly all social programs, and made it harder for the poorest Canadians to get medical care for things like worker's compensation claims, as now disabled people have to go through a much more stringent application process to get scaled back care, while getting smaller amounts of money. This outweighs the minor increases to healthcare spending that keep the system from collapsing while doing nothing to improve care.

 

As for the casino license, if you had paid any actual attention to this issue, and followed it longer than the initial bad publicity (where the media were at Glen Clark's house for some reason before the police showed up, while the man in charge of the investigation was a Liberal party member who was at that time considering running as a BC Liberal MLA in the next election), you would know that this accusation went to trial, and Glen Clark was acquitted of any wrongdoing. So we've got a billion dollar corrupted sale of a public asset to an American owned corporation, directly counter to what the Liberals promised, compared with an accusation of Glen Clark having a deck built in return for a casino license, which was later proven untrue in court.

 

If you're going to hack at the NDP for association with casinos, you might want to hack the Liberals just the same, as they've been encouraging increasing the number of casinos and gambling ventures in the province of late. Don't be a hypocrite now.

 

The Fast Ferries issue is interesting as well. I agree that getting fast ferries was a mistake, they were ill-suited to the use they were put to. But you're criticizing it for all the wrong reasons. Firstly, it's never a bad idea to bring jobs to your province, especially unionized ones with high wages so as to put money into the local economies. How can you criticize those jobs as not being "real jobs"? Especially when the government you're defending is responsible for cutting masses of government jobs, bringing in the $6/hr training wage that's been terribly detrimental to the poorest citizens of the province, and creating nothing but call centre and Walmart jobs. In my Grade 11 year (2001-02), the government's cutbacks to the education budget resulted in every teacher in my district hired after 1995 being let go in June 2002. Jobs that pay well disappear, jobs that pay $6 an hour come in. If those are your real jobs, you've done a fabulous job of entirely discrediting yourself.

 

As for bidding, when you are entertaining bids on a public asset, it is your duty as a public servant to get the best deal for the public possible. This was not done, and your Translink analogy fails entirely. Firstly, the company chosen was an American company. Secondly, BC Rail was running itself quite well, and turning a profit. The debt the government claimed was the motivation to sell a profit-making venture is a reality of rail companies. All rail companies have comparable debt. The profits of BC Rail were somewhere just under $100 million annually, meaning that our government sold the company for a 99 year lease for the profit it would make in 10, while failing to negotiate the best price possible, and leaving out the future coal revenue that needed to be factored in to give a realistic assessment of the worth of BC Rail. Thirdly, Translink is allowing bidding on things they cannot supply themselves. BC Rail was self-sufficient.

 

It's also interesting that in your defense of the actions of Translink, you yourself point out that the poor choice in bidding by the Translink board has resulted in increased cost being passed on to those who require public transit, often those who are in the financial situation of being unable to afford a vehicle. So those who have no choice get screwed over just a little more.

 

Elementary schools, regardless of how you believe curriculum should run, do not need their funding cut. Even if you want an increased focus on things like writing and other fundamentals, cutting the funding so that fewer materials are available, and class sizes are forced to increase is a detriment to the education of the students, due to decreased attention from teachers.

 

I'm not sure where you went to school, but my school (Prince George Secondary School), as well as the rest of my district (57) were and always have been on the semester system. Justify cutting our funding in that case.

 

Yes, money can be better utilized, but there is such a thing as cutting too much, and the manner in which the Liberals have done this (entering into signed contracts illegally and removing clauses they dislike, terminating school boards who turn in deficit budgets and replacing them with appointed councils, etc, etc, etc) is so oppositional to the people of the province that it creates a hostile environment before even considering reforms.

 

Let's face it, if we have a $2 billion surplus in the province, those cuts weren't all necessary.

Cuts are necessary, that suplus needs to be re-directed. Schools are run terribly, even once on the semester system things need to be run better. One of my English classes had 38 students, and I had a better education in that class than in ones with less than 30. The reason was the teacher, she spent time to actually make sure we actually learned the material, where as my other classes the teachers did not. Class size does not matter, and quite frankly if teachers want smaller sizes they should be willing to take a pay cut to pay for the increased teachers, spaces, etc. needed for it, not a pay raise. Taking away money forces people to better spend what they have, after they've done they have successfully done that, more money could be increased if available, currently, money is being wasted, too much to say cuts aren't neccessary.

If you do not like the way medi-care is run complain to nurses and doctors. The B.C. Liberals have increased over 2 million dollars towards health care in the last three years, more than the N.D.P. ever did. Where is the money going to? The Nurses and Doctors, they are taking our money while not investing it back into the system. The government has incentives to have people go to the interior, but they cannot force doctors to go to a place they do not want to go.

Guilty people can be found not guilty. The fact that Glen Clark had to go to trial should be cause for concern, so I stand by my statement. Currently, I have not heard of one of the new slot machines being placed in a neighbourhood that could be worsened by them drastically.

Translink has raised the fares, but my point was is that they went with the company best suited for what they need over going over to a company that could do a worse job. The point is for the contracts to go to a company that would best benefit the people.

Real Jobs always develop on the simpliest level and grow, this takes time, but quite frankly we need to evolve. We cannot be loggers, fisherman, etc. anymore. Simply handing out jobs that pay more than the private sector is ridiculous. Those jobs are meant to be filled only if they are needed, going beyond need is a waste of tax payers dollars. Developing real jobs, will help people integrate with the new job market, the old one is collapsing. Canada has not gone beyond the colonial mentality. We still export raw materials when we could create a product out of them ourselves, which could possibly bring more money into the country. With new job markets coming into B.C. those could develop into companys that make products out of our raw materials.

Edited February 7, 2005 by Matt

[Cherry Poppin' Daddy]

Class size does not matter, and quite frankly if teachers want smaller sizes they should be willing to take a pay cut to pay for the increased teachers, spaces, etc. needed for it, not a pay raise.

 

;) :angry: :angry:

 

Taking away money forces people to better spend what they have, after they've done they have successfully done that, more money could be increased if available, currently, money is being wasted, too much to say cuts aren't neccessary.

 

:angry: (8) (8)

 

The Nurses and Doctors, they are taking our money while not investing it back into the system.

 

(8) :blink: :unsure:

 

Guilty people can be found not guilty. The fact that Glen Clark had to go to trial should be cause for concern, so I stand by my statement.

 

Innocent people can go to trial. Better work on that logic.

 

Canada has not gone beyond the colonial mentality. We still export raw materials when we could create a product out of them ourselves, which could possibly bring more money into the country.

 

Canada's trade surplus is a good thing. Prices would sky rocket if we manufactured more here.

[Matt]

And guilty people can too. My logic works perfectly well. Why so many emoticons? Why not write an actual reply? And if the Canadian dollar is to keep rising we need to work on production of raw materials.

Edited February 7, 2005 by Matt

[rmak]

emoticons symbolize the laziness of humanity. they are cool though. B)

[ham_ahoy]

Liberals provide a good balance between business interests and citizen interests which is essential for a healty country. Anything more left or right is a bit too extreme for me.

[Munk]

"Liberals" is a different term from country to country.

 

America's Liberals are more right-wing than Canada's conservatives.

[ham_ahoy]

Well I'm refering to the Liberal Party of Canada, and a "liberal" in the states is a term for anyone has left wing political views, not conservative views.

[Munk]

The Democrats sure as hell aren't Liberals then.

[Biggie]

"Liberals" is a different term from country to country.

 

America's Liberals are more right-wing than Canada's conservatives.

What? John Kerry and Ted Kennedy are well to the left of Stephen Harper.

[supercanuk]

Liberals provide a good balance between business interests and citizen interests which is essential for a healty country. Anything more left or right is a bit too extreme for me.

Liberals practice something called Brokerage politics where basically they try to be "everything to everyone".The conservatives do this as well. Both just try to be as open as possible to get votes and then work on thier real and intended plans once in office.

Edited February 24, 2005 by supercanuk

[ham_ahoy]

Liberals try to tackle issues from both sides and thus led a more balance government opposed to one that is strictly socialist or conservative.

[Munk]

What? John Kerry and Ted Kennedy are well to the left of Stephen Harper.

I would question whether Harper would pull a blunder like Vietnam, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Harper's a loon.

[TheKwas]

Liberalism

 

In summary: Moderate-Liberals= Central (Keynes)

Neo-Liberals= Extreme Right-wing (Milton Freidman)

Classical Liberalism= Extreme right-wing (Adam Smith)

[Moonlight_Graham]

Liberals provide a good balance between business interests and citizen interests which is essential for a healty country. Anything more left or right is a bit too extreme for me.

Liberals practice something called Brokerage politics where basically they try to be "everything to everyone".The conservatives do this as well. Both just try to be as open as possible to get votes and then work on thier real and intended plans once in office.

you are very right on there canuk.

 

The Liberals are extremely good at what they do, and that is to make promises to everyone and pander to those who will get them the most votes. (& sometimes they go against those promises, ie: McGuinty)

 

The Liberals only care about getting votes & staying in power. They have no opinion on anything, since their opinions are always what is the most popular at the time and/or what will get them the most votes. Pretty smart i say, also quite slimy. I just despise the Liberals. They need to taken out of power, at least for a term or 2, to give them a much needed wake-up call. They have become far too complacent and corrupt because they've been in power too long. fuckers.

 

Stephen Harper is not right to lead this country because he is so far from what most Canadians think, but at least the man has some convictions and takes a stand on some issues that are not necessarily popular. Thats why i have respect for Harper, even though i disagree with him on most social issues (but agree on many economic). He was for the war in Iraq, for missle defence, against gay marriage etc. The Conservatives did try to hide some of this during the last election to get some votes, to their discredit. But anyone informed, or smart enough to go to their website, could figure it out. It would be best for the Conservatives to get rid of Harper since he is more right-wing than most of the party (remember, half the party is PC).

 

I have some respect for the NDP because they have their own convictions & are generally very caring people at the core (ie: socialists). However, many people i know who vote for them have no idea what damage they'd do to the country. NDP (as do most socialists, like the Liberals) have no idea how to run a country economically. They'd raise taxes, spend-spend-spend on social programs, and kill our economy. I'm all for compassionate gov't & social programs, but when you run a gov't you've got to run it like a business also & keep a strong economy & not just a charity organization.

 

The NDP are way too socialist for me, and the Liberals are a tad too socialist for me also, and Harper's Conservatives are a bit too conservative for me. But i vote for the Conservatives because Canada is totally out of whack with logic and reality, which the Cons would help swing the balance back a little. Our justice systems is a joke & and lets criminals off with a slap on the wrist while giving them free university educations. Our military is non-functional & severely under-funded (the latest Liberal Budget is a lie). We let terrorist groups like Hezzebolah (sp?) live free in this country because "they've done nothing wrong".

 

Thanks for letting me rant.

Edited February 25, 2005 by Moonlight_Graham