Shortcut To Moncton Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 So I was listening to Pony Boy today and I thought to myself, why the hell wasn't this the lead single for the Audio Of Being. It's hard for me to decide which song I enjoy more (Pony Boy or Carmelina) but Pony Boy is a FAR more melodic song. It has some of the catchiest and easy-to-sing along lyrics in Matthew Good's whole discography. Sure, Pony Boy wouldn't have been a hit single but it would have easily been more popular than Carmelina (which was probably too heavy for the casual fans who really digged Hello Time Bomb/Load Me Up). Lyrically, I don't think people could have "related" to Carmelina and the video was so in left field that I'm surprised it even got the seldom rotation that it received. Overall, Carmelina should be replaced by Pony Boy as track 2 on the Audio Of Being. What about All Together? I don't know, this isn't a part of the discussion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebabaluba Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Pony Boy should've replaced Anti-Pop. Carmelina is a good song and not a bad single. Anti-Pop should never have been on AOB because it sucks shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Random Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 i like anti-pop. i think pony boy sucks. opinions are like assholes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundless_space Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 (edited) I like Pony Boy, but I'm kind of glad it wasn't released in place of Anti-Pop or whatever. I do think it should have been included on the album, though. Edited October 21, 2006 by soundless_space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyphnip Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 All Together should've been an album too, any album! I fucking love that song! Isn't Matt a bit overdue for an album of all b-sides and rare stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheon Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Well Pony Boy was on IAC, and you got All Together as well if you got it on iTunes. People have been bugging him to do an 'official' history teacher style release, but he says he doesn't want to because he hates the old demos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundless_space Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 (edited) Hm... is All Together in the NF store? I don't think I've heard it. Anyway, I would love it if Matt put out an album of b-sides. What is considered an "old demo" ? Left of Normal, Broken and Euphony? P.S. I like Comfortable Criminals better than Long Way Down. Edited October 21, 2006 by soundless_space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOceanPearl Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Audio of Being works just fine the way it is, though I was very sad when I found out Pony Boy and All Together were being cut, but hey, I have them now, so I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badlittlemonkeyboy Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Where did you get these tracks? I would **LOVE** to hear these tunes. Did they come from Matt's site? I looked around there but couldn't find any demo stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockcrotch Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 They're b-sides from the Audio of Being era. Pony Boy is on In A Coma though. And you can just ask most of the NFers to send you All Together. Anyway, as for the topic at hand... I personally love Carmelina. I'm not all that fond of Pony Boy to be honest. And as for Anti-Pop, the song may suck, but at least the video is worth a laugh or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyphnip Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 geez, why does everyone get all up in Anti-Pop's grill? I like that song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundless_space Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Yeah seriously! Everyone hates it because it's so catchy or what? It's a great song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rat_Who_Would_be_King Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Yeah. I think Pony Boy is very weak in comparison. Ponies are gay. I also like the non In a Coma version that I have. It doesn't have the piano bit I think it is, and I think it's missing vocals. Way dirtier, and more enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiri Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Didn't you know? Nobody likes the catchy MG(B) songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockcrotch Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 ...not even matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan44 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Pony Boy should've replaced Anti-Pop. Carmelina is a good song and not a bad single. Anti-Pop should never have been on AOB because it sucks shit. agreed.... anti pop is definatley in my top 2 hated songs. along with fated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokee Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 werd not even matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no yu begin wher i end Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Sure, Pony Boy wouldn't have been a hit single but it would have easily been more popular than Carmelina (which was probably too heavy for the casual fans who really digged Hello Time Bomb/Load Me Up). Lyrically, I don't think people could have "related" to Carmelina and the video was so in left field that I'm surprised it even got the seldom rotation that it received. Overall, Carmelina should be replaced by Pony Boy as track 2 on the Audio Of Being. What about All Together? I don't know, this isn't a part of the discussion! I think part of the reason why Carmelina had the amount of success it did was because of how far out the video was. It definitly got me hooked on the song and on MGB (AoB was the first MGB album I bought). I also think that Carmelina fits the mood of AoB far better than Pony Boy. AoB is a record whose songs more often than not lean towards extremes, extremely tender (Advertising on Police Cars, Sort of a Protest Song) to extremely hard and rough (Carmelina, Fall of Man), with a bit of middle ground (Workers Sing A Song of Mass Production, Under the Influence). Pony Boy isn't as hard or dark (musically) as Carmelina, and thus wouldn't fit the mood of the album. Carmelina also provides a fine contrast to Tripoli. It's hard, heavy, pounding, and screeching; and Tripoli is soft, mournful, and just beautiful. Pony Boy wouldn't provide this contrast and would diminish the feel of the record, as it moves from one extreme to the other suddenly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOceanPearl Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 ...not even matt "Play Rico!" "There's a snowball's chance in hell I'm gunna play Rico." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs jesus Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Didn't you know? Nobody likes the catchy MG(B) songs. i do. i'm a sucker for a catchy tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancing_invisible Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I agree with Derek on this. Though I don't care much for Carmelina, I would rather see it on AoB than Ponyboy, just due to the overall mood. All Together I prefer well over Ponyboy, and I think it would would better meet the moods of the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiri Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Didn't you know? Nobody likes the catchy MG(B) songs. i do. i'm a sucker for a catchy tune. Actually, me too. And I do enjoy the catchy MGB tunes. Except for Rico, I really can't stand that song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydanger Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 i must admit, i'm really surprised with all the carmelina bashing.. i think it was arguably the best single mgb ever released (along with apparitions and load me up). Ponyboy probably didn't make the album because it's so repetative and in my opinion the AOB did perfectly fine without it... i mean im glad i've heard the song but i don't miss it when i listen to the AOB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortcut To Moncton Posted October 24, 2006 Author Share Posted October 24, 2006 (edited) Sure, Pony Boy wouldn't have been a hit single but it would have easily been more popular than Carmelina (which was probably too heavy for the casual fans who really digged Hello Time Bomb/Load Me Up). Lyrically, I don't think people could have "related" to Carmelina and the video was so in left field that I'm surprised it even got the seldom rotation that it received. Overall, Carmelina should be replaced by Pony Boy as track 2 on the Audio Of Being. What about All Together? I don't know, this isn't a part of the discussion! I think part of the reason why Carmelina had the amount of success it did was because of how far out the video was. It definitly got me hooked on the song and on MGB (AoB was the first MGB album I bought). I also think that Carmelina fits the mood of AoB far better than Pony Boy. AoB is a record whose songs more often than not lean towards extremes, extremely tender (Advertising on Police Cars, Sort of a Protest Song) to extremely hard and rough (Carmelina, Fall of Man), with a bit of middle ground (Workers Sing A Song of Mass Production, Under the Influence). Pony Boy isn't as hard or dark (musically) as Carmelina, and thus wouldn't fit the mood of the album. Carmelina also provides a fine contrast to Tripoli. It's hard, heavy, pounding, and screeching; and Tripoli is soft, mournful, and just beautiful. Pony Boy wouldn't provide this contrast and would diminish the feel of the record, as it moves from one extreme to the other suddenly. You don't think Anti-Pop changes the mood of the cd? Also, to add something for everyone else. I never said that Pony Boy is the "better" song so I really don't see any Carmelina hating here. I just think that Pony Boy has "accessible radio single" written all over it while Carmelina definitely did not. Edited October 24, 2006 by Shortcut To Moncton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no yu begin wher i end Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 (edited) Also, to add something for everyone else. I never said that Pony Boy is the "better" song so I really don't see any Carmelina hating here. I just think that Pony Boy has "accessible radio single" written all over it while Carmelina definitely did not. I agree. The first time I heard Carmelina, my ears were still tuned to Linkin Park and Sum 41, so I wasn't really into it at all at first. It was the video that got me exploring. You don't think Anti-Pop changes the mood of the cd? Anti-Pop is an incredibly cynical song, lyrically, so with its music I find it to be an ironic choice and one that doesn't interupt the album like I think Pony Boy would. So, I don't think it changes the mood of the album. Anti-Pop is just as cynical and dark and bitter as any of the other songs. Musically, it's a change of pace, but when you combine it with the lyrics and the kids chanting "Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!" at the end, I don't think it really detracts from the album. Besides, what comes right after? The Workers Sing A Song of Mass Production and Sort of a Protest Song, to finish the record off. If anything, Sort of a Protest Song is the one to change the mood of the CD. It's far more optimistic and hopeful than any of the other songs, and makes an excellent closing song. Edit: and like I said, think about where Carmelina is, and the contrast between it and Tripoli. If Pony Boy had to be on the album, I would put it where Anti-Pop is, but I think that would just detract from the whole thing. Edited October 24, 2006 by no yu begin wher i end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
